kuhlman false teacher

Question:

I just read your response to women preachers in the church. It caught my attention because I too shared the same view on that topic. But once I read kathryn kuhlman’s bio and listened to her sermons and it’s obvious that God called her to that ministry It was very obvious that God sovereignly lead her into giving up everything for the preaching the Gospel. That was His plan/will for her life. Sure, i’d have to agree there are women out there that feed off of power and are driven by rebellion to from authority but I don’t understand how you can blunted say for God that he will never call and anoint a woman to preach over both men and women. Because in kathryn kuhlman’s life, she bared the fruits of the spirit and was a women who feared the Lord.

CAN WE JUDGE AT ALL?

I want to be very careful and avoid being a “heresy hunter,” or a person who is solely focused on finding faults and flaws in everyone and everything. I understand everyone has flaws and is fallible, and it’s not my intention to chase down every person who does or thinks something wrong, for I myself surely have. However, things said publicly and taught as doctrine, need to be addressed publicly. Public figures who take their lives into the public eye, should be judged publicly. The Scriptures command us to judge and discern the truth, and they remind this to us very often (Mat 7:15,16; 2 Tim 4:3,4; Acts 20:29-31; 2 Pet 2:1, 3:16,17; Col 2:8; Heb 13:9). In the Bible Jesus is shown warning people to beware of false teachers even those who do miracles and appear to have done prominent things in Christian ministry (Mat 7:21-23). Some think that if you critique any well known leader you are simply jealous of their level of influence, and just that you merely hate everyone who is well known. This may be true in some cases, however, it is a logical fallacy to assume any critic is merely jealous and therefore the criticism should be ignored.

PROOF OF GENDER ROLES BECAUSE OF HER LIFE?

Your argument seems to come down to the fact that because she accomplished much (which is open to debate) she is clearly the evidence for a particular view of women in ministry. The error with that view is that it makes experience become as valid in defining doctrine, and perhaps even more so, than scripture, tradition, or reason. What if a teacher of another religion, such as Islam, had the same results as Kuhlman? What if that person had a huge ministry with many followers, claimed to believe in the Old Testament and in a historical Jesus? What if many people claimed to have experienced many good things from an encounter with this muslim? Would his life and the personal experience of those who encountered him convince you to join his movement? If you are a Christian, I hardly think you would take into account that as your evidence. Accounts of miracles have been shown to be false on many occasions, even though people have believed them to be true (1). In any event, is this not the specific method that Jesus warns us to avoid? He spoke of false teachers that would come and try to sway people with their miracles and their works. If we view a “supernatural resume” as the reason for validating any manner of Biblical teaching, we end up in exactly the snare Christ warned us about. For then any antichrist could come in, do a few signs and miracles, and sway everyone to believe in his teachings.

HER MINISTRY WAS MARKED WITH INCONSISTENCIES

Kathryn Kuhlman, as well as most people, has said numerous things that were beneficial to others, however, in conjunction she taught other things were harmful. In the end this type of concoction of truths with untruths is dangerous because with the good we take in the bad. Below are some reasons I am skeptical of her ministry, I’m not sure if we can be certain whether she purposefully deceived others, or was herself self-deceived, though I would guess it is the latter. We are not asked to judge her heart, motives, or intentions but since she was a public minister, we ought to carefully weigh her words and actions and compare them to what the Bible teaches (Acts 17:11). In the end she has a resume that includes some very questionable behaviors and teachings, which were done publicly but never repented of in the same fashion.

She committed open and unrepentant adultery

She became involved in an affair with a married evangelist Burroughs Waltrip. There is a collection of serious evidence, including many eyewitness reports that she was involved with him as far back as in 1935 (Telephone Interview with Dennis Brown, February 25, 1992 as reported in “The Woman Behind The Miracles.”). He left his wife with two young children and married Kathryn a few years later in 1938. This was not something she ever considered a sin, though the Scriptures say it is. In fact Kuhlman had a personal (false) prophecy to validate it, she literally said about their new life together “that God had revealed a new plan” (Daughter Of Destiny, Jamie Buckingham). According to her it was by Gods revelation that she take a married man away from his wife and children. This is highly questionable.

She had an “unbiblical” and unrepentant divorce.

Details of this are few and in between, but both her and Waltrip separated in 1946, partly due to the fact that details about their affair became well known and hindered both her and his public ministry. There is record of her telling her friends “it was a mistake” before getting the divorce. However, she never publicly recanted for her prophetic declaration that her marriage was according to God’s desire.

She lied to cover it up

She repeatedly lied and tried to cover up this part of her life, never repenting. Instead of admitting her self-prophecy and adultery was a sinful act or failure, she often got frustrated and tried to cover her past. According to her official biography (Daughter Of Destiny, Jamie Buckingham) when questioned by reporters she would make statements like “We were never married. I never took my marriage vows,” she said, her eyes flashing. ‘Do you know what happened? I’ll tell you what happened. I fainted — passed out completely, I tell you — right before I was to take my vows.’” In this case the book continues by saying the reporter showed her a photocopy of the marriage license which she denied by saying “she didn’t remember.”

She had shady financial practices

She lived a rich and lavish lifestyle, and had serious financial allegations against her that were settled privately and secretly. Her official biography reports her buying dresses for a modern equivalent of $5000 each, a $750,000 jet and etc. All this with money donated from her crusades. Kuhlman was sued by Paul Bartholomew, her personal administrator, who claimed she kept $1 million in jewelry and $1 million in fine art hidden away and sued her for $430,500 for breach of contract.Two former associates accused her in the lawsuit of diverting funds and illegally removing records, which she denied and said the records were not private.According to Kuhlman, the lawsuit was settled prior to trial. She also changed her will to give most of her cash (obtained through donations) to her friends and family instead of the ministry like promised. Unfortunately her finances on many occasions appear to be highly irregular and secretive, which appears to be inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.

She had many false healings/prophecies

A thorough examination of 23 of her publicly reported healings by a medical doctor (Healing: A Doctor in Search of a Miracle, William A. Nolen MD 1974) showed zero true healings in the long run. These people examined were not those that merely thought they were healed, but actually were confirmed by Kuhlman’s prophetic word. One example is a “woman who was said to have been cured of spinal cancer threw away her brace and ran across the stage at Kuhlman’s command; her spine collapsed the next day, according to Nolen, and she died four months later.” (Ibid. pg 228). An interesting story that documents how Philip Yancey nearly lost faith because of a Kuhlman event (2). Doctor Nolan was a Christian and said of Kuhlman “[her] lack of medical sophistication is a critical point. I don’t believe she is a liar or a charlatan or that she is, consciously, dishonest. I think that she believes the Holy Spirit works through her to perform miraculous cures. I think that she sincerely believes that the thousands of sick people who come to her services and claim cures are, through her mini-strations being cured of organic diseases. I also think–and my investigation confirms this–that she is wrong.” (Quotes and facts are from an article in McCall’s 9/74)

She taught many “unbiblical” things

Many of her teachings obscured the traditional Christian teachings about Jesus and replaced the cross with mystical ideas about spirituality. According to many Christians, the most dangerous type of false teacher is one who speaks many true things and then adds something untrue into the mix. Dr Nolan, among many others noted that that the focus of her teachings tended to shift away from Jesus Christ and onto the Holy Spirit. Whereas the scriptures seem to say that the Holy Spirit will testify of Jesus, not the other way around. Kuhlman often focused solely on spiritual things instead of traditional biblical teaching. For example she coined some of the terminology for “slain in the spirit,” teaching that: “Our spiritual beings are not wired for God’s full power, and when we plug into that power, we just cannot survive it. We are wired for low voltage; God is high voltage through the Holy Spirit.” (Warner, Kathryn Kuhlman, 220). This is inconsistent with the Scripture. It far exceeds and adds to what the Bible very often teaches about the Holy Spirit, namely that He is a helper, a comforter and our sanctification, not one who is a electrical power to shock us to the floor. Another example is that Kuhlman taught that “whenever we find the presence of the Holy Spirit, we will always find the supernatural.” This seems very proper at first, however, it completely invalidates the mainstream Christian view of the internal work of the Holy Spirit on human hearts in sanctification. She also taught that “Faith is that quality or power by which the things desired become the things possessed.” This is a very mystical statement, one that draws away from the object of faith (Jesus) to the psychic power of personal faith (human), making her teaching inconsistent with traditional Christianity. This is the way mystics teach their pupils to attain magical powers, by using strong personal “psychic faith-power” to force things to happen. Christian faith is different, see my article on the topic here: http://egblog.yuriyandinna.com/2010/04/20/faith-is-super-psychic-mind-force/

She promoted spiritual oneness with Catholics

She was very prominent in promoting a oneness union between protestants and Catholics. When she spoke with Pope Paul, she said ““When I met Pope Paul there was a Oneness.” This “oneness” was carried into and through her interdenominational healing services until her death.(Part One Foundations For Apostasy: 1950-1985, Ed Tarkowski). Part of what defines Protestant Christianity is the disagreement over catholic doctrines, such as Mary being another mediator between man and God, for Kuhlman. For Kuhlman this division was nonexistent because her form of Protestant Christianity was not explicitly defined by the bible, instead it was experiential in nature, and any who shared the experience, regardless the theology, were in unity with her. This point does not make her “guilty by association” but conveys the inconsistency of her beliefs and the very staunch charismatic fundamentalists who are often her followers.

MORE CRITIQUES

Below are more critiques of Katheryn Kuhlman from evangelical and pentecostal perspectives as, just so you can see I am being extremely fair and not simply quoting people who don’t believe in modern faith healers but only “cold dead faith.”

EVANGELICAL: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kuhlman.htm

PENTACOSTAL: http://www.pawcreek.org/end-times/kathryn-kuhlman

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  • Rgna003

    All said and done, Katherine Khulman was a human, and that God should choose a weak and imperfect vessel like her shows the heart of God. She may have had character flaws and many weaknesses, but it is left to God to chose his vessel of choice. In the OT God used a donkey to convey His thoughts which means He can use any one of us with all our stupidity and foolishness…………. May the one who has no sin cast the first stone. God’s ways are highter than our ways and His thoughts, higher than our thoughts. I am glad he has not given up on us, but uses our imperfections to show His perfection, our weaknesses to show His strength.

    • Resist

      God used those vessels to preach his word not heresy. If it is a message against the truth of the bible then it is not from God. Stupid is one thing. Heresy is another

      • CharlesMaglaughlin

        What’s the heresy? Like I said above, even Billy Graham has said some off the wall things!!! Name YOUR perfect vessel and I’ll find something on them. Kathryn’s ministry needs NO defense, but I just had to add my 2 cents worth.

        • Juzette Menard

          Which side are you on? the preacher who claims to be from the Lord? or the word of God? We need to test anyone who claims to be from God with the Scripture. If someone repetitively preach something that is not biblical, then we need to question the person no matter how marvelous the rest of the content may be. We should not be quoting Billy Graham or whatnot when evaluating someone’s life; the scripture is the compass, the standard on which Church stands. If it is not this way, then I am compelled to question your walk with the Lord. Do you use the books of “great” preachers to guide you or do you stand by God’s Words?

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            As Archie used to say to Edith, “Stifle yourself.”

          • Juju M.

            You won’t get the best of me! Wisdom

          • Laura Lee

            Have you found a man or woman who speaks the bible with perfection? I know only of one: Jesus Christ. We are all wrong on non-essential doctrine. All of us. None of us knows it all. I just don’t think you can force everyone in the world to agree with you on all points non-essential to qualify them to office. See my point??

    • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

      All said and done Khulman was an adulteress who broke a marriage and ran off with a married man. According to Jamie Buckingham she wasn’t a pleasant person to be around or deal with! I met her a few times and would not like to have her as a friend!

  • Kj Plattner

    I would not discount a woman being used by God in most any position – however I would lean the direction as I heard J. Vernon McGee commented on his program: “Show me a woman in the ministry and I will show you a dozen men whom did not step up to God’s leading” (or pretty darn close! its beena few decades).

    Naturally, we have qualifications for being a prophet or praying, examples of Dorcas as a deacon, etc.

    • CharlesMaglaughlin

      Your quote she often repeated herself. Somewhere a man failed. I’m thinking brother Oral crapped out in the healing business and she was chosen.

    • Laura Lee

      God is Sovereign. He’s not subject to our whims. He calls who He chooses. If God didn’t want to call women – He would call none. Jesus Christ sent Mary Magdalene and His mother Mary to speak, teach, preach, and prophesy to men in the church. I think men have very big heads to think that God doesn’t call women. John the Beloved was humble… and wrote 2 John to a woman leader of a church. (Paul’s denominational stand that women cannot preach was his own opinion… and not the position of Jesus nor held universally by the early church… or even the record of others in their own letters to the churches.) God calls men and women.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walt-Kam/100001676316347 Walt Kam

    Kathryn Kuhlman had many healing meetings at Melodyland Christian Center in Anaheim, California pastored by the scoundrel Ralph Wilkerson whose financial escapades caused the church to go bankrupt!

    Melodyland School of Theology (MST) was its theological seminary college level school and had on its staff Walter Martin, who was also known as the Bible Answer Man and head of CRI (the Christian Research Institute), John Warwick Montgomery noted Christian apologist and
    lawyer who later divorced his wife by signing her name to the divorce documents and not telling her about it, Dr. John Rea (noted Old Testament scholar and an editor of the New International Version of the Bible). The first president of the school was Dr. J. Rodman Williams (Charismatic Theologian, author of a Systematic Theology).

    Rev. Ralph Wilkerson was known for doing things that were mean, vindictive and unchristlike. Hence the LA Time reported about Tentative Melodyland Ruling Goes Against Wilkerson
    August 27, 1986|JOHN SPANO | Times Staff Writer

    Fundamentalist preacher Ralph Wilkerson acted without legal authority when he locked a dissident board of directors out of an Anaheim seminary last year and posted armed guards to keep them away, a judge ruled Tuesday.

    Superior Court Judge Judith M. Ryan issued a tentative ruling in the first phase of the complex legal tug of war over control of the Melodyland School of Theology.

    The school was founded by Wilkerson as a spinoff of his independent Melodyland Christian Center at 1400 Freedman Way in Anaheim. The church attracted a congregation of up to 10,000 on Sundays in the early 1980s before falling victim to philosophical divisions within the
    congregation and financial difficulties.
    http://articles.latimes.com/1986-08-27/local/me-14257_1_tentative-ruling

    The LA Times also reported about Pastor Ralph Wilkerson
    Pastor to Talk in Fraud Case
    His lawyer says he will answer questions about Gregory Setser, accused of taking $160 million from Christians.
    July 19, 2004|E. Scott Reckard | Times Staff Writer
    Orange County pastor Ralph A. Wilkerson has agreed to answer questions about a former associate accused of raising more than $160 million from evangelical Christians in an elaborate international investment fraud, Wilkerson’s attorney said.
    Wilkerson, 77, was criticized last month by a court-appointed receiver who said the pastor had failed to help recover assets that would benefit people left destitute by the alleged scam run by Gregory E. Setser, an Inland Empire-based entrepreneur.
    http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/19/business/fi-setser19

    • Laura Lee

      So, if she spoke there, she was responsible for his behavior?

      So, if people attended church there, are they all responsible for his behavior?

      Guilt by association just isn’t a strong case against a person who visits a church.

      • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

        If you knew your bible you would know that there is such a thing as guilt by association as far as God is concerned

        • Laura Lee

          Oh, I stand corrected! Thank you for clarifying that. Now, as I apply your sound doctrine… WOW!! ALL THE OTHER ELEVEN DISCIPLES ARE PROVEN TO BE TRAITORS AND THIEVES!! (They hung around with Judas for 3-1/2 years). You’re brilliant with your theology as we see by that example!!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            Using logic doesn’t change the fact if you associate with wrong people their judgment from God will fall on you and that is why Moses stated in Numbers 16:26 And he spoke to the congregation, saying, “Depart now from the tents of these wicked men! Touch nothing of theirs, lest you be consumed in all their sins.”

          • Laura Lee

            Well, you’ve made it abundantly clear… you don’t use logic. “Logic” is a word related to the word “Logos”… the Word of God. (You don’t use that well either.)

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Walt-Kam/100001676316347 Walt Kam

    According to Jamie Buckingham who wrote about her, It’s a fact that Kathryn Khulman hated other ministries including Oral Roberts and FGBMF. She thought her ministry was the only valid one. And the sad reality she died unhealed on the operating table at ORU with a man she hated.
    She also had a big fight with Dino her piano player and many others!
    In reality she was not a nice person?

    • CharlesMaglaughlin

      BS!!! If you can find the “hated” quote in Buckingham’s book, share it!!! If she hated Oral, why did she minister at ORU and receive an honorary doctorate from him. Why was he one of her pall bearers? Why was she always speaking at Full Gospel conventions? Dino was blackmailing her…who were “the many others”? I guess you never saw her walk the back streets of Harlem praying for the needy with tears streaming down her face. You’re an idiot…YOU are not “nice.”

      • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

        Your words betray you and show that you are full of hate and not a true Christian! “You’re an idiot…YOU are not “nice.”

        • CharlesMaglaughlin

          Golly gee, Wally, YOU are the “false accuser” scripture warns about in the end times! Grow up and be a man!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            I ONLY REPORTED WHAT JAMIE BUCKINGHAM WROTE IN HIS BOOK! SO YELL AT JAMIE NOT ME!

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            TINK Wilkerson, jerko!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            AS I SAID YOUR WORDS DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU ARE A HATEFUL DEMONIC INDIVIDUAL WHO IS GOING TO HELL NOT HEAVEN! YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT EXHIBITING THE CHARACTER OF JESUS

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            Quit changing the channel…you can’t justify your comments with any quotes from “Daughter of Destiny,” by Buckingham. I’m NOT the problem! I can back up my rambling. You are an immature spreader of lies and false accusations.(among other things). Kathryn Kuhlman was DAVID Wilkerson’s favorite preacher…she got him started in the ministry. I WAS THERE! You have your “Wilkerson’s” all mixed up, because you never read Jamie’s book! Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. She did NOT have “many” healing meetings at Melodyland. She held services once a month at the Shrine Auditorium in LA the last three years of her life.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            HOW CAN YOU HAVE A SENSIBLE CONVERSATION WITH AN ANGRY PERSON WHO SPEWS OUT HATE? YOU CANNOT!

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            Stifle yourself. You are a broken record, stuck on your own misrepresentations and feminine mentality. Jesus threw the moneychangers out of His Father’s temple and “house of prayer.” Go dress in the girls’ locker room! Get back to me when you begin to shave!(or tell the truth, instead of lying). Prophets ain’t panty waists!

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            Practice what you preach. Just “googled” your facebook dump. Here’s a prime example of what YOU spew!

            “We have not heard much from the Revival Alliance after the exposure of the liar, thief, adulterer, drunkard and sorcerer Todd Bentley at Lakeland. John Arnott is a thief, perjurer and deceiver. Bill Johnson is a quack who has mission teams to raise the dead. Heidi Baker is a liar who has Kundalini demons. And Che Ahe loves and supports gay pastors! Georgian Banov is a false prophet whose prophesy(?) at Lakeland was a dud! Randy Clark ‘s latest Voice of the Apostle’s Conference in Boston was a joke with sparse attendance. None of these demonized ones are true. Apostles never mind their wives!”

            Walter Kambulow

            Golly, gee, Wally, lighten up! Jesus will do the separating!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            1 Corinthians 2
            15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
            HEY CHARLES YOU SOUND LIKE THE ANTI CHRIST WHO LIKES TO CONTROL ALL THINGS? MAKE LIKE A BIRD AND FLY AWAY WITH YOUR CONTROLLING DEMONIC WAYS AND WORDS! YOU ARE NOT MY BOSS OR LORD BUT JESUS IS! AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THOUGHT IS NOT OUTLAWED IN THIS WORLD YET

          • CharlesMaglaughlin

            even your TWIN brother thinks you’re a jerk! It can’t get any worse than that. You started this by misrepresenting KK’s life and ministry, confused the Wilkersons, and didn’t answer one of my objections. Whenever one can’t debate, they usually begin to attack the messenger. You are the number ONE divider of the body of Christ on the web. It’s sad that I agree with 99% of your conclusions and writings, but you just can’t handle someone throwing it back at you. 10/4 over and out!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            WORDS COMING FROM A HATEFUL DEMON POSSESSED FOOL LIKE CHARLES HAVE NO VALUE WHATSOEVER! SO GET A LIFE?

          • Juzette Menard

            I don’t the other guy you’re yelling at nor do I know you, but you have let the argument get the best of you. You, instead, give immature response to the opposite point of view with very some polished swears. Talking about his “twin” brother is way out of line of the actual discussion. That is not very Christ-like.

          • Laura Lee

            You know, it is those who are in the spirit of the devil who say, “You’re not being Christlike”… and try to control someone else and try to make them subject to you. You’re like the mean kids on the playground… who want to beat other people up and boss them around. You grew up, picked up a Bible, and run around saying, “You’re not a Christian! You’re not Christlike!”… the playground bullies who found a new game.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            YES CHARLES YOU MUST HAVE A GOD COMPLEX AS YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD WHO KNOWS AND SEES EVERYTHING AND ONLY YOUR OPINIONS AND VIEWS COUNT ARE RIGHT BUT YOU ARE FULL OF HATE NOT LOVE!

            YES THAT IS THE DEVIL IN YOUR SPEAKING AND NOT JESUS CHRIST WHO STATED Matthew 23:15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            CHARLES YOU ARE A VERY SICK PERSON WHO JUST WANTS TO FIGHT WITH PEOPLE? WHAT HAPPENED YOUR WIFE LEFT YOU OR YOU GOT DIVORCED THAT YOU ARE SO HATEFUL AND SPITEFUL? IT SAD THAT THERE ARE VENOMOUS VILE PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN THE WORLD!

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            HEY CHARLES WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE TO MAKE YOU SO BITTER, CAUSTIC, HATEFUL, VENOMOUS AND A SON OF HELL SPEWING OUT DIATRIBE AND DOING EVERYTHING TO PROVOKE FIGHTS AND DISAGREEMENTS?

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            HEY CHARLES WHAT HAPPENED IN YOUR LIFE TO MAKE YOU SO BITTER, CAUSTIC, HATEFUL, VENOMOUS AND A SON OF HELL SPEWING OUT DIATRIBE AND DOING EVERYTHING TO PROVOKE FIGHTS AND DISAGREEMENTS?

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            WHY ARE YOU SO FULL OF ANGER AND HATE IF YOU ARE A TRUE CHRISTIAN? YOU ARE NOT DEMONSTRATING THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT OF LOVE, JOY, PATIENCE, GOODNESS? IT SEEMS YOUR FATHER IS THE DEVIL NOT GOD!

        • Laura Lee

          Right. I’ve never seen a true Christian call someone an idiot. “Oh foolish Galatians!” (Paul did.) Jesus called men vipers, hypocrites, children of hell. Jesus was not always “nice”. Seems childish for you to “discern” someone is not saved… because they didn’t tickle your ears how you like… I mean, ever had a fight with your spouse?? Do you say, “You’re not being nice! You’re not a Christian! You’re not saved!” Christians sin every day.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            Your are the one who is not saved and don’t know the real Jesus or you would keep your mouth shut! So deny the following as untrue?

            JESUS THE EPITOME OF LOVE AND CHARACTER DIDN’T GO AROUND BLESSING PEOPLE WITH WORDS. HE DIDN’T BLESS THE RELIGIOUS AND POLITICAL LEADERS OF HIS DAY BUT CURSED THEM WITH ‘WOE TO YOU’ WHICH DOESN’T MEAN SOMETHING GOOD IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU ESPECIALLY WHEN SPOKEN BY GOD INCARNATE.

            YES JESUS THE EPITOME OF LOVE AND CHARACTER BAD MOUTHED PEOPLE. HE CALLED THEM ALL KINDS OF NAMES INCLUDING FOOLS, HYPOCRITES, MURDERERS, SERPENTS, BROOD OF VIPERS, LIARS, BLIND GUIDES, SONS OF HELL, ETC. HE TOLD THEM THEY WOULD NOT ESCAPE THE CONDEMNATION OF HELL (MATTHEW 23:15, 33, LUKE 11:24-25, 23:38-31) AND THEY DIDN’T

          • Laura Lee

            Oh, now you are saying that Christians are those who shut up… and just agree with you!! Are you the pope?? I’m not Catholic… and you’re not the pope. I didn’t get saved by professing faith in you as my God and Lord… and I don’t lose my salvation by rejecting your nonsensical remarks. Jesus saved me… and is my God. So, my salvation is between Him and me… not you and me, “Pope Walter”.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            Wow you truly are an angry fool? Did you husband divorce you or are you still a spinster. Read the book of Proverbs and it has much to say about you and fools

            Proverbs 21
            9 Better to dwell in a corner of a housetop, Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

            Proverbs 25
            24 It is better to dwell in a corner of a housetop, Than in a house shared with a contentious woman.

            Proverbs 9
            13 A foolish woman is clamorous; She is simple, and knows nothing.

            Proverbs 12
            15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise.

            16 A fool’s wrath is known at once, But a prudent man covers shame.

            Proverbs 13
            16 Every prudent man acts with knowledge, But a fool lays open his folly.

            Proverbs 14
            3 In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise will preserve them.

            7 Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.

            16 A wise man fears and departs from evil, But a fool rages and is self-confident.

      • Laura Lee

        Dino blackmailed her?? She seemed to be surrounded by vultures who just wanted her money… or to gain from her fame… to gain money and fame for themselves. I am taking note of all this. I am already closing the door to people who have not been with me from the beginning when I was being called evil names. I already am closing community levels. The ones who come later… when one is successful… are so often the wolves who come to feed on you pretending to be your friend.

  • kop

    look dr alberto rivera book – vatikan killers

  • CharlesMaglaughlin

    “Shifting attention away from Jesus to the Holy Spirit” was NOT in ANY minuscule way an ATOM of Miss Kuhlman’s doctrine. She would ALWAYS give a disclaimer that the Holy Spirit ALWAYS “magnifies Jesus.” She married a divorced man whose wife was still alive, which Jesus calls adultery. So, millions are “adulterous” in the Body of Christ. What else is new? Her husband divorced her.(Thus she was released from being in a state of adultery). So she lied for years about her marriage. God uses imperfect vessels. Even Billy Graham has stated many will be in heaven, even though “having never heard of Jesus.” The bottom line is this: I lived where her ministry flourished for decades. Three Sunday services! I sang in her choir. I’ve been to her home. I knew all her faults. She owned no car. Her house was given to her by her sister. The jet plane was bought by the sneaky last minute thief introduced in her life one year before she died. She traveled in it ONCE, dying, on a hospital bed. There was never before or since ANY human who gave more of themselves to the ministry of Jesus Christ…and was so blessed by the awesome and manifest presence of the power of God during her services! Millions of changed lives and healed bodies will testify to that one day in Glory. And you can take THAT to the bank. Speaking of, she never asked for a dime on her televised broadcasts.

    • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

      Who cares what Billy Graham said as he isn’t God! He doesn’t believe in divine healing or the full gospel message! And Katherine acquired a very great amount of wealth which was stolen by Ralph who controlled her at the end according to J. Buckingham. And it wasn’t Dino who was evil, jealous and controlling it was Katherine! But people see and believe what they want to believe

      • CharlesMaglaughlin

        Where did you get “controlled” by RW? If anyone was a snake in her life, it was TINK Wilkerson, who had her change her will when she was on her death bed and robbed her blind. You need to bone up on your bloviating method…like getting your facts straight!

  • CharlesMaglaughlin

    Read a few testimonies from some of her fans! https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10150319753828344&id=17150358343 “Bad fountains don’t spew polluted water”!

  • michael moshopoulos

    Where is my comment for people to see?

  • Laura Lee

    The primary problem is “Oneness” with the pope. “Oneness” with apostasy is not a good sign. I think that it is unfair to hold against her the sins of her youth. Repentance is correcting the behavior. She did divorce the man… so the matter was cleared. As far as the claim that she “misused donations”… who is to say??

    In life all around us, there are varying levels of pay for varying levels of contribution. I don’t believe it is reasonable to hold her to the level of pay of a pastor who pastors a congregation of 100. She had a larger ministry and did a larger work. So, if she earned a larger figure… that seems appropriate to the labor. The workman is worthy of his hire.

    From what I saw of her on tapes, she pointed directly to Jesus. That she mentioned the Holy Spirit is not cause for “anathema!”. Paul spoke of the divine energy of the Holy Spirit that worked so powerfully in him. And, when the Holy Spirit is greatly powerful… it “short circuits us” due to our sins. Paul testified he trembled under the power of the Holy Spirit. All throughout the Bible, men fall down as dead men when God shows up in power. Daniel couldn’t handle the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Your objections are not scriptural to her statement about people not being able to handle the power of the Holy Spirit present (due to the sin in us). Scripture itself tells us to fear and tremble before the Lord… showing we are not to be cavalier about God holding Him at a distance… but drawing near enough that we tremble in His presence. That is holy.

    Word of Faith preachers have left the Word of God and are unsaved.

    The union with the pope is very concerning. And, anyone who meets with the pope is immediately suspect. They either are very foolish… or they are false.

    I’d like to hear her doctrinal positions regarding who Jesus is.

    I don’t believe you have stated anything in this article in a manner that is a cause for any concern other than that she met withe pope. Everything else was out of balance or completely unscriptural from my view.

    God bless!!

    • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

      All said and done Khulman was an adulteress who as a Christian broke a marriage and ran off with a married man. According to Jamie Buckingham she wasn’t a pleasant person to be around or deal with! I met her a few times and would not like to have her as a friend!

      • Laura Lee

        I’m sure Kathryn felt likewise about you. David killed Uriah, married Bathsheba, and was a man after God’s own heart. Samson messed with Delilah… and God put him in the hall of faith. Abraham messed around with his concubine and is the father of faith. Love keeps no record of wrongs. Jesus forgave the woman caught in the act of adultery and said, “Let he who is perfect cast the first stone.” Satan is the accuser of the brethren.

        • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

          i am glad you brought up David the adulterer and murderer because the fact of the matter is he was a great failure. His end was worse than his beginning and he had nothing but sorrow, trouble and hell until the end of his life! So fools even like Laura reap on earth what they have sown for God is not to be mocked!

          • Laura Lee

            WOW!! You say David is a great failure who is washed up… and good for nothing?? The Bible declares that the whole nation of Israel (including all his children who died including the child he had with Bathsheba) are going to be raised from the dead and live in the Promised Land for the 1000 year reign of Christ. And DAVID will be sitting on the throne as king of Israel for the 1000 years. You know, any Bible believing Christian can see you are not a Christian as you attack King David – a man after God’s own heart. That you attack Kathryn Kuhlmann… is on the side of… she was for real. I’m just researching her. But, to see you against her… and King David… is good evidence she’s a true believer.

            Here’s scripture showing David on the throne… until the end of the age… on the throne for the 1000 years. His END will be BETTER THAN HIS BEGINNING!! Great is the God who saves. (Once again you prove you don’t know the Bible… when you say that David has already had his end and it was worse than his beginning. Uh, no, he’s going to be raised from the dead and sit on the throne of Israel for the 1000 years… and live to see Jesus return on the Last Day.)

            Ezekiel 37:23 neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

          • https://plus.google.com/100302133262254344211/posts Walter Kambulow

            Yes David and Solomon were both idiots and fools! David’s end was stupid for a man of God! And his son Solomon as a result of that sinful relationship ending up being a super great adulterer! Is that what you call being successful in God?

            2 Samuel 12
            24 Then David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in to her and lay with her. So she bore a son, and he called his name Solomon. Now the LORD loved him,

            1 Kings 11
            1 But King Solomon loved many foreign women, as well as the daughter of Pharaoh: women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Sidonians, and Hittites —

            2 from the nations of whom the LORD had said to the children of Israel, “You shall not intermarry with them, nor they with you. Surely they will turn away your hearts after their gods.” Solomon clung to these in love.

            4 For it was so, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned his heart after other gods; and his heart was not loyal to the LORD his God, as was the heart of his father David.